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(Created page with "Which type of pedal assistance should you implement? If you want to ride your e-bike like a bicycle, pedaling but with help, torque sensing is vastly superior. Simple cadence-sensing PAS, as on the BBSHD, simply detects whether or not the pedals are moving, and applies a set amount of power based on which PAS level you've set it to. It's like a cruise control, but in predefined steps, and that only works when you're pedaling or pretending to pedal. Torque-sensing PAS d...")
 
(Created page with "List provides a general comparison of some popular and interesting models but is not comprehensive. All models shipped from the USA unless otherwise noted. Please note that range has been recalculated from a flat 10WH/KM figure, valid for riding at about 25kph (15mph) in an upright position. Expect range to be half that at 40kph (25mph) and one quarter at 60kph (37mph) due to wind resistance increasing at the square of speed. ==Budget list (<$2000)== {|class="wikit...")
 
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Which type of pedal assistance should you implement?
List provides a general comparison of some popular and interesting models but is not comprehensive.


If you want to ride your e-bike like a bicycle, pedaling but with help, torque sensing is vastly superior.
All models shipped from the USA unless otherwise noted.  
Simple cadence-sensing PAS, as on the BBSHD, simply detects whether or not the pedals are moving, and applies a set amount of power based on which PAS level you've set it to. It's like a cruise control, but in predefined steps, and that only works when you're pedaling or pretending to pedal.


Torque-sensing PAS detects not only whether or not you're pedaling, but also how much effort you're putting in, and it applies power proportional to how much effort you're putting in.
Please note that range has been recalculated from a flat 10WH/KM figure, valid for riding at about 25kph (15mph) in an upright position. Expect range to be half that at 40kph (25mph) and one quarter at 60kph (37mph) due to wind resistance increasing at the square of speed.


If you enjoy pedaling and/or saving battery then you may be interested in some assistance.
In certain locations pedal assistance is also the law.
The two most common types are a magnetic cadence PAS sensor and a bottom bracket torque sensor.


==Cadence / Magnetic Ring Pedal Assist System (PAS)==
==Budget list (<$2000)==
pros:
*Inexpensive
*Generally included with hub motor kits
cons:
*Limited by the controllers algorithm, whether that be good or bad is left up to your controllers software
*Measures crank movement instead of force, therefore not as accurate or efficient


==Torque sensors (bottom bracket type)==
{|class="wikitable sortable"
pros:
!Name!!data-sort-type="currency"|Price!!data-sort-type="number"|Speed!!data-sort-type="number"|Range!!data-sort-type="number"|Battery!!data-sort-type="number"|Motor Power!!Motor type!! Bike type!!Throttle?!!Drive!!Brakes!!Tires!!Suspension!!Notes
*More accuracy and efficiency
|-
*Measures the force you apply to it and can distribute proportional force (or more, depending on your software)
|[https://shop.sondors.com/products/sondors-original-us-canada-shipping-oct18 Sondors Original ebike]              ||$1199 || 32KPH 20MPH || 31KM 19MI ||  313WH (36V*8.7AH) || 350W || Rear geared hub || Fat bike || Yes || Chain || Mech Disc || Fat Dirt || None ||
*More flexibility, feels more like a bike than a typical PAS system.
|-
cons:
|[http://www.propellabikes.com/ Propella electric bike v3.2]                                                      ||$1299 || 29KPH 18MPH || 25KM 15MI||  252WH (36V*7AH) || 250W || Rear geared hub || Road bike || No || Chain || Mech Disc || Road || None||  Price includes S/H and is a preorder price not retail. They have single speed or geared available.
*More expensive
|-
*Requires drilling a hole in the bottom bracket shell for the wire
|[https://www.costco.com/Jetson-Adventure-Electric-Bike-.product.100370011.html Costco jetson adventure]          ||$1299 || 32KPH 20MPH || 28KM 17MI || 280WH (36V*7.8AH) || 250W || Rear geared hub || MTB || No || Chain || Mech Disc || Road || Front ||
|-
|[https://voltonbicycles.com/shop/alation-500/ Volton Bicycles Alation 500]                                        || $1400 || 45KPH 28MPH || 53KM 33MI || 528WH (48V*11AH) || 500W || Rear geared hub || Commuter || Yes || Chain || Mech Disc|| Road || Front ||
|-
|[https://shop.sondors.com/pages/sondors-x-may-shipping Sondors X]                                                || $1499 ||  32KPH 20MPH || 84KM 52MI || 840WH (48V*17.5AH) || 500W || Rear geared hub || Beach || Yes || Chain || Mech Disc||Fat || None ||
|-
|[https://www.radpowerbikes.com/products/radrover-electric-fat-bike?variant=5032654929951 RadRover]                || $1499 || 32KPH 20MPH || 67KM 42MI || 672WH (48V*14AH) || 750W || Rear geared hub || Fat bike || Yes || Chain || Mech Disc||Fat || Front ||
|-
|[https://prodecotech.com/electric-bikes/islander-series/ ProdecoTech Islander 3.6]                                || $1599 || 32KPH 20MPH || 53KM 33MI || 528WH (48V*11AH) || 400W || Rear DD hub ||  Beach cruiser || Yes || Chain || Hydraulic Disc || Dirt || None || 
|-
|[https://www.voltbike.com/voltbike-outback.html Voltbike Outback]                                                ||$1699 || 32KPH 20MPH || 56KM 35MI || 556WH (48V*11.6AH) || 1000W || Rear DD hub || MTB || Yes|| Chain ||Hydraulic Disc ||Off-Road ||Full ||  Canadian
|-
|[https://lunacycle.com/luna-folding-ebike/ Luna Folding Ebike]                                                    ||$1699 || 48KPH 30MPH || 31KM 19MI || 312WH (52V*6AH) || 750W || Mid drive || Folding Commuter || Yes || Chain || Mech Disc || Road || None||
|-
|[https://www.juicedbikes.com/products/crosscurrent-s2 Juiced Riders Cross Current S2]                            || $1799 || 45KPH 28MPH || 68KM 42MI || 676WH (52V*13AH) || 350W || Rear geared hub || Road Bike || No || Chain || Mech Disc || Road || Front ||
|-
|[https://lunacycle.com/luna-sixfifty-lone-wolf-hard-tail/ Luna SixFifty Lone Wolf]                                ||$1999 || 64KPH 40MPH || 62KM 39MI || 624WH (52V*12AH) || 1500W || Mid drive (BBSHD) || MTB || Yes|| Chain ||Mech Disc||Dirt||Front||  2500W available for +$250
|-
|[https://www.biktrix.com/collections/bikes/products/stunner-x Biktrix Stunner X]                                  ||$1999  || 45KPH? 28MPH? || 58KM 36MI || 576WH (48V*12AH) || 750W || Mid drive || Beach cruiser|| Yes|| Chain ||Mech Disc||Fat Dirt||Front|| ships from Canada. Hydraulic brakes +$299, upgraded battery +$
 
|}
 
 
==Mid-range ($2000-3500)==
{|class="wikitable sortable"
!Name!!data-sort-type="currency"|Price!!data-sort-type="number"|Speed!!data-sort-type="number"|Range!!data-sort-type="number"|Battery!!data-sort-type="number"|Motor Power!!Motor type!! Bike type!!Throttle?!!Drive!!Brakes!!Tires!!Suspension!!Notes
|-
|[http://www.daymak.com/calgary.html Daymak Calgary]                                                            ||$2399 || 32KPH 20MPH || 40KM 25MI || 396WH (36V*11AH) || 350W || Rear unknown hub || MTB? || Yes|| Chain ||Hydraulic Disc||Dirt||Front||
|-
|[https://www.biktrix.com/collections/bikes/products/juggernaut-ultra-1000 Biktrix Juggernaut Ultra 1000]      || $2600 || 56KPH 35MPH || 67KM 42MI || 672WH (48V*14AH) || 1000w || Mid drive (Bafang)  || Fat bike || Yes|| Chain ||Hydraulic* Disc||Fat Dirt||Front|| Ships from Canada *Some specials due to preorder
|-
|[https://www.haibikeusa.com/sduro-trekking-2-0-hi-step-h-24.html 2019 Haibike Sduro Trekking 2.0]              ||$2799 || 32KPH 20MPH || ?KM ?MI || ?WH (36V*?AH) || 250W || Mid drive (Yamaha) || MTB || No || Chain ||Hydraulic Disc||Road||Front||
|-
|[https://www.karmicbikes.com/shop/karmic-koben-m-e7xaw Karmic Koben]                                          ||$3200 || 32KPH 20MPH || 51KM 32MI || 510WH (44V*11.6AH)|| 350W || Mid drive (Bafang Max) || Road bike || No|| Belt ||Hydraulic Disc||Road||None||  Only 500 charge cycles on battery. Multiple sizes.
|-
|[https://lunacycle.com/sur-ron-mx-electric/ Sur-Ron]                                                          ||$3495 || 72KPH 45MPH || 198KM 123MI || 1980WH (60V*33AH) || 5000W || Mid drive || E-dirtbike || Yes|| Chain || Mech Disc|| Dirt ||Full|| Super-Moto Conversion +$350 (street tires)
|}
 
==Premium (>$3500)==
 
{|class="wikitable sortable"
!Name!!data-sort-type="currency"|Price!!data-sort-type="number"|Speed!!data-sort-type="number"|Range!!data-sort-type="number"|Battery!!data-sort-type="number"|Motor Power!!Motor type!! Bike type!!Throttle?!!Drive!!Brakes!!Tires!!Suspension!!Notes
|-
|[https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/bikes/hybrid-bikes/electric-hybrid-bikes/allant/allant-8s/p/30265/?colorCode=grey 2020 Trek Allant+ 8S]||$4299 || 45KPH 28MPH || 63KM 39MI || 626WH (36V*17.4AH) || 350W || Mid drive (Bosch) || Commuter || ? || Chain ||Hydraulic Disc||Road||None||
|-
|[https://lunacycle.com/luna-cycle-apollo/ Luna Cycle Apollo]||$5550 || 64KPH 40MPH || 101KM 62MI || 1092WH (52V*21AH) || 2000W || Mid drive (Peak Mag Ultra) || MTB || Yes || Chain ||Mech Disc||Dirt||Full||
|-
|[https://wattwagons.com/products/ultimate_commuter_pro Ultimate Commuter Pro]||$6499 || 64KPH 40MPH || 72KM 45MI || 880WH (52V*17.5AH) || 750W || Mid drive (Peak Mag Ultra) || Commuter || Yes || Belt ||Hydraulic Disc (Magura)||Road||None|| Rohloff, Brooks Saddle, Kinect Active Suspension Seatpost, Titanium Frame, custom Miranda Cranks, up to 300lb rider
|}
 
 
 
==Other Resources==
Probably the most comprehensive site for US factory-built models is Electric Bike Review. http://electricbikereview.com/
 
 
Revision guidelines: Rather than being comprehensive, listings in each category should be only the highest quality for the price, bikes that do not meet this standard should be removed if the list gets too big. Maintain style on the page. If revising older content, please leave a note in 'reason for revision' box after saving for easy reference, just a summary of what was edited and why. Entries need actual price, not introductory price, demo price, or "Crowd Funder" price. The voltage listed should be the nominal voltage, not max.
 
This list taken from https://www.reddit.com/r/ebikes/wiki/factory_built courtesy of https://www.reddit.com/r/ebikes

Latest revision as of 08:20, 15 January 2022

List provides a general comparison of some popular and interesting models but is not comprehensive.

All models shipped from the USA unless otherwise noted.

Please note that range has been recalculated from a flat 10WH/KM figure, valid for riding at about 25kph (15mph) in an upright position. Expect range to be half that at 40kph (25mph) and one quarter at 60kph (37mph) due to wind resistance increasing at the square of speed.


Budget list (<$2000)

Name Price Speed Range Battery Motor Power Motor type Bike type Throttle? Drive Brakes Tires Suspension Notes
Sondors Original ebike $1199 32KPH 20MPH 31KM 19MI 313WH (36V*8.7AH) 350W Rear geared hub Fat bike Yes Chain Mech Disc Fat Dirt None
Propella electric bike v3.2 $1299 29KPH 18MPH 25KM 15MI 252WH (36V*7AH) 250W Rear geared hub Road bike No Chain Mech Disc Road None Price includes S/H and is a preorder price not retail. They have single speed or geared available.
Costco jetson adventure $1299 32KPH 20MPH 28KM 17MI 280WH (36V*7.8AH) 250W Rear geared hub MTB No Chain Mech Disc Road Front
Volton Bicycles Alation 500 $1400 45KPH 28MPH 53KM 33MI 528WH (48V*11AH) 500W Rear geared hub Commuter Yes Chain Mech Disc Road Front
Sondors X $1499 32KPH 20MPH 84KM 52MI 840WH (48V*17.5AH) 500W Rear geared hub Beach Yes Chain Mech Disc Fat None
RadRover $1499 32KPH 20MPH 67KM 42MI 672WH (48V*14AH) 750W Rear geared hub Fat bike Yes Chain Mech Disc Fat Front
ProdecoTech Islander 3.6 $1599 32KPH 20MPH 53KM 33MI 528WH (48V*11AH) 400W Rear DD hub Beach cruiser Yes Chain Hydraulic Disc Dirt None
Voltbike Outback $1699 32KPH 20MPH 56KM 35MI 556WH (48V*11.6AH) 1000W Rear DD hub MTB Yes Chain Hydraulic Disc Off-Road Full Canadian
Luna Folding Ebike $1699 48KPH 30MPH 31KM 19MI 312WH (52V*6AH) 750W Mid drive Folding Commuter Yes Chain Mech Disc Road None
Juiced Riders Cross Current S2 $1799 45KPH 28MPH 68KM 42MI 676WH (52V*13AH) 350W Rear geared hub Road Bike No Chain Mech Disc Road Front
Luna SixFifty Lone Wolf $1999 64KPH 40MPH 62KM 39MI 624WH (52V*12AH) 1500W Mid drive (BBSHD) MTB Yes Chain Mech Disc Dirt Front 2500W available for +$250
Biktrix Stunner X $1999 45KPH? 28MPH? 58KM 36MI 576WH (48V*12AH) 750W Mid drive Beach cruiser Yes Chain Mech Disc Fat Dirt Front ships from Canada. Hydraulic brakes +$299, upgraded battery +$


Mid-range ($2000-3500)

Name Price Speed Range Battery Motor Power Motor type Bike type Throttle? Drive Brakes Tires Suspension Notes
Daymak Calgary $2399 32KPH 20MPH 40KM 25MI 396WH (36V*11AH) 350W Rear unknown hub MTB? Yes Chain Hydraulic Disc Dirt Front
Biktrix Juggernaut Ultra 1000 $2600 56KPH 35MPH 67KM 42MI 672WH (48V*14AH) 1000w Mid drive (Bafang) Fat bike Yes Chain Hydraulic* Disc Fat Dirt Front Ships from Canada *Some specials due to preorder
2019 Haibike Sduro Trekking 2.0 $2799 32KPH 20MPH ?KM ?MI ?WH (36V*?AH) 250W Mid drive (Yamaha) MTB No Chain Hydraulic Disc Road Front
Karmic Koben $3200 32KPH 20MPH 51KM 32MI 510WH (44V*11.6AH) 350W Mid drive (Bafang Max) Road bike No Belt Hydraulic Disc Road None Only 500 charge cycles on battery. Multiple sizes.
Sur-Ron $3495 72KPH 45MPH 198KM 123MI 1980WH (60V*33AH) 5000W Mid drive E-dirtbike Yes Chain Mech Disc Dirt Full Super-Moto Conversion +$350 (street tires)

Premium (>$3500)

Name Price Speed Range Battery Motor Power Motor type Bike type Throttle? Drive Brakes Tires Suspension Notes
2020 Trek Allant+ 8S $4299 45KPH 28MPH 63KM 39MI 626WH (36V*17.4AH) 350W Mid drive (Bosch) Commuter ? Chain Hydraulic Disc Road None
Luna Cycle Apollo $5550 64KPH 40MPH 101KM 62MI 1092WH (52V*21AH) 2000W Mid drive (Peak Mag Ultra) MTB Yes Chain Mech Disc Dirt Full
Ultimate Commuter Pro $6499 64KPH 40MPH 72KM 45MI 880WH (52V*17.5AH) 750W Mid drive (Peak Mag Ultra) Commuter Yes Belt Hydraulic Disc (Magura) Road None Rohloff, Brooks Saddle, Kinect Active Suspension Seatpost, Titanium Frame, custom Miranda Cranks, up to 300lb rider


Other Resources

Probably the most comprehensive site for US factory-built models is Electric Bike Review. http://electricbikereview.com/


Revision guidelines: Rather than being comprehensive, listings in each category should be only the highest quality for the price, bikes that do not meet this standard should be removed if the list gets too big. Maintain style on the page. If revising older content, please leave a note in 'reason for revision' box after saving for easy reference, just a summary of what was edited and why. Entries need actual price, not introductory price, demo price, or "Crowd Funder" price. The voltage listed should be the nominal voltage, not max.

This list taken from https://www.reddit.com/r/ebikes/wiki/factory_built courtesy of https://www.reddit.com/r/ebikes

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